Reasoning, Free-Will & Determinism

The intellectual reasoning mind is nothing to think of as 2nd rate.

It is just that this is the mind that was purposely created to have a limited exposure to “All that is”. This is so that while being intimately, totally and completely “One” in every way with “All that is”, we can also have the unique perspective that discerns features and details in such a manner that, along with the rest of all consciousness, “All that is” improves our great universe to benefit “All that is”, that of which I am and we have our being.

We ONLY have this unique awareness  BECAUSE we are so powerfully focused.

The remainder of this page is quoted From SETH in DREAMS. ‘EVOLUTION: AND VALUE FULFILLMENT  Pgs. 269-273  Jane Roberts
(Slowly:) Chapter Six. Now: Any real discussion of genetic her-
itage must also bring up questions involving free will and deter-
minism,” and to some extent those issues must also lead to
questions concerning the nature of the reasoning mind itself.
Reasoning, as you are familiar with it, is the result of mental
or psychic processes functioning in a space-time context, and in
a particular fashion. To some extent, then, reasoning-again, as
you are familiar with it (underlined)-is the result of a lack of
available knowledge. You try to “reason things out,” because the
answer is not in front of you. If it were, you would “know,” and
hence have no need to question.
The reasoning mind is a uniquely human and physical phe-
nomenon. (Long pause.) It depends upon conscious thinking,
problem-solving methods, and it is a natural human blossoming,
a spectacular mental development in its own framework of activ-
Your technology is one of the results of that reasoning mind.
That “reasoning” is necessary, however, because of the lack of a
larger, immediate field of knowledge. Thoughts are mental ac-
tivity, scaled to time and space terms so that they are like mental
edifices built to certain dimensions only. Your thoughts make
you human (underlined).
(Still slowly at 8:59:) Other creatures have their own kinds of
mental activity, however. They also have different kinds of im-
mediate perceptions of reality. All species are united by their
participation in emotional states, however. It is not just that all
species of life have feeling, but that all participate in dimensions
of emotional reality. It has been said that only men have a moral
sense, that only men have free will-if indeed free will is possible
at all. The word “moral” has endless connotations, of course. Yet
animals have their own “morality,” their own codes of honor,
their own impeccable senses of balance with all other creatures.
(Pause.) They have loving emotional relationships, complicated
societies,” and in a certain sense at least-an important one-
they also have their arts and sciences. But those “arts and sci-
ences” are not based upon reasoning, as you understand it.
Animals also possess independent volition, and while I am
emphasizing animals here, the same applies to any creature,
large or small: insect, bird, fish, or worm; to plant life; to cells,
atoms, or electrons. They possess free will in relationship to the
conditions of their existence (underlined).
The conditions of existence are largely determined by genetic
structure. Free will must then of course function in accordance
with genetic integrity. Genetic structure makes possible physical
organisms through which life is to be experienced, and to a large
extent that structure must determine the kind of action possible
in the world, and the way or ways in which volition can be effec-
tively expressed.
The beaver is not free to make a spider web. (Long pause.) In
human beings the genetic structure largely determines physical
characteristics such as height, color of eyes, color of hair, color
of skin-and, of course, more importantly, the number of fin-
gers and toes, and the other specific physical attributes of your
specieshood. So physically, and on his physical attributes alone,
a man cannot use his free will to fly like a bird, or to perform
physical acts for which the human body is not equipped.
The body is equipped to perform far better, in a variety of
ways, than you give it credit for, however-but the fact remains
that the genetic structure focuses volition. The genetic appara-
tus and the chromosomal messages actually contain far more
information than is ever used. That genetic information can, for
example, be put together in an infinite number of ways. (Long
pause.) The species cares for itself in the event of any possible
circumstance, so that the genetic messages also carry an endless
number of triggers that will change genetic combinations if this
becomes necessary.
Beyond that, however, genetic messages are coded in such a
way that there is a constant give-and-take between those mes-
sages and the present experience of any given individual. That
is, no genetic event is inevitable.
Now besides this physical genetic structure, there is an inner
bank of psychic information that in your terms would contain
the “past” history-the reincarnational history-of the individ-
ual. This provides an overall reservoir of psychic characteristics,
leanings, abilities, knowledge, that is as much a part of the indi-
vidual’s heritage as the genetic structure is a part of the physical
A person of great intelligence may be born from a family of
idiots, for example, because of that reincarnational structure.
Musical ability may thus appear complete-
(9:27. We were startled by the sudden ringing oj the telephone.)
Take your break.
(A close friend, one who used to attend Jane’s ESP class, had called
our unlisted number to ask one of us some psychic questions. Jane had
been jolted out of trance, of course. After I hung up we wondered why
our friend, who knows our usual routine so well, hadn’t realized that
we’d probably be having a session at this time on a Monday evening.
Yet, at 9:30 Jane resumed the session just as though there hadn’t been
any interruption.)
-with great technical facility, regardless of family back-
ground, genetically speaking, and again, the reincarnational
bank of characteristics accounts for such events. That inner rein-
carnational psychic structure is also responsible for triggering
certain genetic messages while ignoring others, or for triggering
certain combinations of genetic messages. In actuality, of course
-say that I smiled-all time is simultaneous, and so all reincar-
national lives occur at once.
(Pause.) Perhaps an analogy will help. An actor throwing him-
self or herself into a role, even momentarily lost in the part, is
still alive and functioning as himself or herself in a context that
is larger than the play. The character in the play is seemingly
alive (creatively) for the play’s duration, perception being limited
to that framework, yet to play that role the actor draws upon the
experience of his own life. He brings to bear his own under-
standing, compassion, artistry, and if he is a good actor, or if she
is, then when the play is over the actor is a better person for
having played the role.
Now in the greater framework of reincarnational existences
you choose your roles, or your lives, but the lines that you speak,
the situations that you meet, are not predetermined. “You” live
or exist in a larger framework of activity even while you live
your life, and there is a rambunctious interplay between the yous
in time and the you outside of time.
(Long pause.) The you inside of time adopts a reasoning mind.
It is a kind of creative (underlined) psychological face that you
use for the purposes of your life’s drama. This psychological
face of our analogy has certain formal, ceremonial features, so
that you mentally and psychologically tend to perceive only
those data that are available within the play’s formal structure.
You cannot see into the future, for example, or into the past.
You reason out your position. Otherwise your free will would
have no meaning in a physical framework, for the number of
choices available would be so multitudinous that you could not
make up your mind to act within time: With all the opportunities
of creativity, and with your own greater knowledge instantly
available, you would be swamped by so many stimuli that you
literally could not physically respond, and so your particular
kinds of civilization and science and art could not have been
accomplished-and regardless of their flaws they are magnifi-
cent accomplishments, unique products of the reasoning mind.
Without the reasoning mind the artist would have no need to
paint, for the immediacy of his mental vision would be so instant
and blinding, so mentally accomplished, that there would be no
need to try any physical rendition of it. So nowhere do I ever
mean to demean the qualities or excellence of the reasoning
mind as you understand it.
You have, however, become so specialized in its use, so preju-
diced in its favor, that your tendency is to examine all other
kinds of consciousness using the reasoning mind as the only
yardstick by which to judge intelligent life. You are surrounded
everywhere by other kinds of consciousness whose validity you
have largely ignored, whose psychic brotherhood you have dis-
missed-kinds of consciousness in the animal kingdom particu-
larly, that deal with a different kind of knowing, but who share
with you the reality of keen emotional experience, and who are
innately aware of biological and psychic values, but in ways that
have escaped your prejudiced examination.
To some extent that emotional reality is also expressed at
other levels-as your own is-in periods of dreaming, in which
animals, like men, participate in a vast cooperative venture that
helps to form the psychological atmosphere in which your lives
must first of all exist.
End of dictation. End of session, unless you have a question.
Ruburt can relax now (with amusement).
(“Okay, Seth. No questions. That was very good. “)
I bid you a fond good evening.
(“Thank you. Good night. “)

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