Flo posted a question: Serious question and feedback wanted…..
Can you imagine this astronaut saying
” I create my own reality” ?
I mean when I see that quote with this picture, I say, you got to be kiddin’ me—you think “YOU’ created that?? I am wondering if the YOU in You create your reality is ‘plural’ especially when I realize the implications of this following quote.
“You choose this place and time for your own reasons and your own challenges… and so this planet is not peopled with strangers, but those who are already psychically united, who then come to this planet in your time. Your world is far more extensive than you realize, and your concepts have limited your experience. So, here, we knock the old concepts down. You knock them down as you encounter your own living psyche.” -Seth during class in late 1974, Sue Watkins, Volume 2
would so appreciate your ideas….thanks
It is interesting that Seth indicates it is almost completely indisputable by the scientific community. Maybe the indisputability of this “postulate” needs to be the first premise to realize in accepting its’ conformance with our realities. I believe I can find the reference, then I’d like to share from my most recent studies touching this subject from Session 63.
To Flo – Actually, the very reference to being indisputable is also found in ES2 Session 63 Pg 164
“Incidentally, this simple fact will not even meet with disbelief from your backward scientists, since no one can dispute it, and experiments have already been conducted along these lines.”
What is the simple fact that is so indisputable? Let’s go to page top to have Seth turn us on our heads.
“I told you that without telepathy language would be meaningless and ineffective. It is true that each of you constructs his own physical universe, and responds to it. It is also true however, that through continuous telepathy you are acquainted with the ideas of others concerning their approximate physical universes; and while you construct and see your own, you also construct any given material object taking into consideration its approximate size, width, thickness and location, as received through telepathy from others.”
As I ponder this, I am quite certain if I were visiting you and having this discussion, I could touch you. If I were to physically touch you, the human being that I touched would be a material object included within the physical universe of which Seth says I create. Yet, you know what appears to be the same material object exists within your physical universe and that Seth says “you” create.
To clarify that the objects you create in your reality, including your embodied being that communicates with mine telepathically, are not the same as the objects created in mine, Seth Continues;
“Nevertheless, the objects are simply not the same objects. You do not see, feel, smell or touch the same object. I will shock you further by stating that, in your terms, the objects do not even exist in the same space, but in the personal self-perspective space, formed and created by any given individual.”
“This can easily be proven by a simple experiment with any small object, such as a book of matches. No one of you can see a book of matches from exactly the same perspective, for the simple reason that it does not exist for you except in the self-perspective in which you create it. … “Incidentally, this simple fact will not even meet with disbelief from your backward scientists, since no one can dispute it, and experiments have already been conducted along these lines.”
It pretty simple really; if all material construction represents idea construction, then for internal consistency, every individual that has ever held an idea of a physical encounter must have constructed the material object the idea reflects. Never mind how incredibly redundant that sounds. If idea construction forms matter, then all ideas of encounters with physical matter MUST, like beauty, be within the eye and constructive purview of the beholder. At least that’s the mandatory foundation of “The physical universe as idea construction”, if it is accepted.
So what is scientifically indisputable, if you hadn’t already accepted the idea of idea construction?
It is the premise that: “Without the idea of conscious observation, the physical universe does NOT exist”. Or let’s make it even simpler, “Without an observer making a conscious observation, the physical universe does NOT exist.
It can NOT be disputed. There is NOT ONE scientific example of a single material object existing without being observed subjectively. QED – By inference, the conclusion that We create our own realities is indisputable!
In actuality Sessions 60-62 make it quite clear that the entirety of our physical universe represents a cooperative effort that sets the back drop for understanding this. Then Sessions 63-65 turn 60-62 upside down by pointing out the obvious; the gestalts that we are MUST each create our own realities for it can NOT be otherwise.
It CAN NEVER be proven that the material universe exists independent of the subjective observer for such a postulate is absolutely and indisputably outside the essential meaning of observed consciousness itself!
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