Moment points are related to action. Action is NOT what we typically think of in terms of movement of space position or a change in space location, rather true action refers to psychological change, a change that occurs psychologically and this type of change or psychological expansion is best recognized or measured in terms of value fulfillment and our beings consciously expanding in terms of discovering or acquiring greater value fulfilling insight.<\/p>\n
Action occurs within the spacious present just as psychological time and moment points occur within it. “Psychological time” IS TIME yet far more robust than our “clock time”. In psych-time, or when one experiences psych-time, consciousness is enlarged or expanded. In psych-time one simply IS in a state of expanded consciousness, being more consciously aware of the eternity of thoughts which are ever expanding. Within clock-time, a moment ends when we cease giving attention to a thought and we call that contemplative thinking event a moment. Yet the entirety of our clock-time life is but a moment point in our fuller self’s reality.<\/p>\n
“As physical beings your perception, your physical perception, is slowed down to a necessary but very extensive degree. The span of a whole man’s lifetime is no more than a moment point.”<\/p>\n
“For the simultaneous nature of a given action is here experienced in a slow motion … This should lead you to understand why physical time is basically meaningless to the subconscious, and why the inner self has at its command a knowledge of past lives and past endeavors. For the inner self, dear friends, these lives are not in the past, nor is the life of the ego necessarily present to the whole self.”<\/p>\n
In the true actuality within which we have our fuller being, thoughts can be followed forward and backward in psych-time. One can even return to follow the thoughts your ego might have observed yesterday. During todays psych-time moment,\u00a0 we can follow one of the different various thought paths, one of those moments which yesterday were given only brief attention and consideration with the ego’s moments of reflection and contemplative thought.<\/span><\/p>\n Within true psych-time expanded consciousness, one can be conscious of an infinity of ego moment points and experience true action realizing incredible value fulfilling epiphanies the ego’s only beginning to contemplate.<\/span><\/p>\n Ask and you will Receive<\/strong><\/p>\n What is truly exciting about all this is that when our ego self accepts the existence of his greater self within and asks to be enlightened by its’ greater awareness and understanding, the ego IS informed. The ego intellect has only to ask and believe to receive the same insight, inspiration and creative value fulfilling realizations the inner-self experiences routinely when so directed by ego’s intention.<\/span><\/p>\n “There is much to be explained along many lines which we have only begun to touch upon, for all things are correlated. There is indeed a correlation between our moment points, of which I have spoken, and our spacious present, and that portion of the whole self which you call the\u00a0 subconscious.<\/p>\n We are dealing here principally with the essence\u00a0 of action and essentially all apparent divisions are arbitrary, for the sake of explanation. The moment point is itself arbitrary, an artificial division. The moment point for you is actually composed of the amount of action which you are capable of assimilating within your present framework, for the moment point is indeed a portion of the spacious present.<\/span><\/p>\n \u00a0\u2026 In relationship to action and moment points, the ego is indeed that portion of the self that stands at the apex of the moment point, and is limited by the moment point. The ego in this context is the portion of the self which is utterly focused upon, and imprisoned by, the moment point. \u2026.<\/p>\n The subconscious is not so limited. If you consider the ego at the apex of the moment point and imprisoned within the realm of its own before-and-after, cause-and-effect experience, then you can imagine the subconscious reaching further outward, and seizing upon many other moment points. \u2026 the ego is that part of the self which is plunged into a specific and intense preoccupation with a given field of action or dimension.<\/p>\n \u2026 for while there is no real past or present or future within the spacious present, there is indeed an infinity of inward and outward: and again of actions within actions. There is no end to these actions since they are self-generating. The other portions of the inner self reach then even further in all directions, and they therefore envelop many moment points. To many portions of the inner self what you call one moment would correspond to an almost limitless number of moments, for even physical time has no meaning without experience, and without action. One only need to believe it to realize it. \u00a0The evidence of belief is action.<\/p>\n Supplemental Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n Session 149 & 150 also provided key detail for understanding Time differences and Seth’s concept of the “moment point”:<\/p>\n \u2022 The whole Universe expands an idea expands, in ways that have nothing to do Now basically even the physical universe itself is so constructed, but for all Jane made a quick drawing of the concept she received tonight. I helped her as (For some material on travel through concepts and impulses and time, see ses- And Here I’m posting the session 150-151 which was the source for the excerpts of substance found in Chapter nine “The Coming of Seth”.<\/span><\/p>\n Session 150:<\/strong> Session 151 (“Good evening, Seth. “) There is much to be explained along many It is almost impossible to explain clearly, through the use\u00a0of words, this massive complexity<\/strong><\/em>, for all fields of activity are self-<\/strong>generating.\u00a0<\/strong>Even the dream field is self-generating. No consciousness can bring\u00a0itself to destruction. It can only cease experiencing a certain portion of The multiplicity of human experience\u00a0would be impossible were it not for the inner self, and for the heritage that\u00a0speaks through the cells of every human being. The perspectives and psychic\u00a0relationships that make up the human personality simply could not have resulted<\/p>\n through action within your field alone. It cannot be stressed too strongly that Art often appears timeless to the ego because it often merges within it a Now. Each moment point is a field or dimension.<\/strong><\/em> These moment points<\/strong> <\/em>may, for simplicity’s sake, also be There will be much more here also Moment points are related to action. 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\n… Now you will see what I meant when I spoke of the limitless self, for the whole self is not so bound. The whole self could and does perceive a limitless number of such moment points simultaneously.” The Coming of Seth, Ch. 9 Pg. 146-149 (quoting Seth). \u00a0Compare with Seth Early Sessions 151.<\/span><\/p>\n
\nwith space …
\nThere [are] therefore possible bursts of developments<\/em>, that
\nhave matured within perspectives that are not bound up in time, and that would
\nappear spontaneous to the waking self But these developments, nevertheless, are
\nthe results of actions<\/em> that occur in many perspectives at once, and not
\ndevelopments that occur as within the physical system, through actions that
\nhappen in a series seemingly strung out moment after moment.<\/p>\n
\npractical purposes, as far as general perception and experience is concerned,
\ntime and the physical growth development apply, so that we find the ego portion,
\nparticularly of the human personality, is to a large extent dependent for its
\nmaturity and development upon the amount of time that the phys’ . spent within
\nthe system. A certain portion of physical growth, in terms of a series of<\/em>
\nphysical moments, is therefore necessary for value fulfillment to show itself<\/em>
\nwithin a physical organism<\/em>. Within the dream field and within many other<\/strong>
\nsystems,<\/strong> this series of moments is unknown<\/strong>. Development comes not from a series
\nof actions strung out along a single line, one before the other in lengthwise
\nfashion. Instead development is largely a matter of value fulfillmen<\/strong>t, which is
\nachieved through the perspectives of action<\/strong>, through traveling within any given
\naction, and following it and changing with it. To make this clearer, I have
\nsaid that action exists within limitless perspectives<\/strong>, and that you are mainly<\/em>
\nfamiliar<\/em> with it as it is materialized along a single line of continuity <\/em><\/strong>within
\nthe physical system. You experience action <\/em>then as if you were moving along a<\/strong>
\nsingle line,<\/strong> each dot on the line<\/strong> representing a moment of your time<\/strong>. But at the
\nimaginary point<\/strong> on your line that represents any given moment,<\/strong> action moves out<\/strong>
\nin all directions.<\/strong> From the standpoint of that moment point,<\/strong> you could imagine
\naction forming an imaginary circle with that point as an apex<\/em>. But this happens<\/strong>
\nat the point of every moment<\/strong>. There is no particular boundary to the circle.<\/strong> <\/em>It
\nwidens outward indefinitely<\/strong>. Now. In the dream universe, in all systems of
\nsuch nature, development is achieved not by traveling your single line, but by<\/em><\/strong>
\ndelving<\/strong> into that point that you call a moment<\/strong><\/em>. The physical laws simply do not
\napply here, within such a value fulfillment system. Basically your own physical
\nuniverse is at the apex of such a system itself, and it is only because of the
\npurpose and nature of the particular apex that experience appears, from my
\nviewpoint, to be so slowed down. The particular point, in one manner, is being
\npursued by you in such a slow fashion that it appears to be a series of
\nhappenings strung out in a thread of continuity. You experience action as one<\/em>
\nhappening after another, not because of the nature of action itself but because<\/em>
\nof the nature of your own structure and perception<\/em>. This is in itself, you see,
\na form of value fulfillment, since you are perceiving one simultaneous action<\/em>
\nas if it were a series of separate actions<\/em>. You are delving into one action, and
\nwithin it continually creating action within action. This is however, or this
\ncan be, while fulfilling, also limiting.<\/p>\n
\nmuch as I could from her description of it. It should be stressed that often
\nJane finds these experiences difficult to put into words, let alone onto paper.
\nWhat she “said” she said, was an approximation of a mental diagram involving a
\ncircular string. Closely paralleling Seth’s description on page 5, there would
\nbe a series of dots on the circle. Each dot would be intersected by another<\/em><\/strong>
\ncircle<\/em><\/strong>, with dots upon this, and each of these dots in turn would be
\nintersected, etc., so that there could be an infinity of expansions. If time
\npermits I will try to make a more finished drawing of this idea. Jane’s voice
\nremained strong until the end of the session.<\/p>\n
\nsions 131 and 135.)<\/p>\n
\n…
\nNow. We will endeavor to continue speaking of some matters discussed in
\nour previous session. A moment point<\/strong> basically consists not of any particular <\/em>
\ngiven time division<\/em>, but is within your system a convenient term that expresses
\nor represents the range of reality<\/em> that can be conveniently embraced without
\nundue strain.
\nWithin what you call one moment<\/strong><\/em>, many such perceptions flash through
\nto affect any given individual. However there is within your system a lapse
\nbefore the organism can effectively organize these perceptions. My idea of a <\/strong>
\nmoment point is only an approximation of your physical moment<\/strong>. I am trying
\nto make it plain here that the range of action is what is important. A moment <\/strong>
\npoint is a range of action.<\/strong> …
\nAll realities<\/strong> are the result of psychic organizations<\/strong><\/em>. All time structures<\/em>
\nwithin them represent the range of action which can be conveniently perceived<\/strong>.
\n…<\/p>\n
\nlines which we have only begun to touch upon, for all things are correlated; and
\nthere is indeed a correlation<\/em> between our moment points<\/strong><\/em> of which we have
\nspoken, the spacious present<\/strong>, and that portion of the whole self<\/em><\/strong> which you call
\nthe subconscious<\/strong>. We are dealing here principally, and in the main, with the
\nessence of action<\/strong>, and essentially all apparent divisions are arbitrary for the
\nsake of explanation. The moment point is in itself arbitrary,<\/em> an artificial
\ndivision. As we have said, the moment point for you is actually composed of the
\namount of action which you are capable of assimilating<\/em> within your present
\nframework, for the moment point is indeed a portion of the spacious present.
\n(For a more graphic interpretation of what a moment point might be, see Jane’s
\ndescription of the concept she received from Seth in the 149th session.) The
\nsubconscious, and in fact all portions of the self with the exception of the
\nego, are capable of assimilating a wider area, so to speak, of action. Therefore
\nto these other portions of the self, time has a much different essence<\/span> than it
\nhas for the ego. The ego is indeed many things. It can be defined in
\nrelationship to many other aspects of reality. In relationship to action, and
\nmoment points, the ego is indeed that portion of the self which stands at the
\napex of the moment point, and is limited by the moment point. The ego<\/em> is in this
\ncontext the portion of the self which is utterly focused upon<\/em>, and imprisoned
\nby, the moment Point<\/em>. The ego is that portion of the self which experiences time<\/em>
\nas continuity<\/em>, and to whom experience is a series of stimuli and responses<\/em><\/strong>
\ncarried on one after another. And yet this is in itself a division<\/em><\/strong>, so to speak,
\nor a kind of value fulfillment<\/strong><\/em>, for the simultaneous nature of a given action
\nis here experienced in slow motion, as a child must learn to walk before the
\nchild can run. The subconscious however is not so limited. If you consider the
\nego at the apex of the moment point, and imprisoned therefore within<\/em> <\/strong>the realm
\nof its own before-and-after,<\/em> cause-and-effect experience<\/em><\/strong>, then you can imagine
\nthe subconscious reaching further outward<\/em><\/strong> and seizing upon many other moment<\/em><\/strong>
\npoints<\/em><\/strong>. It should be easy to see then why the focus of the ego is so sharp and
\nbrilliant. Within its limited scope there is intensity of stimuli and response.
\nIndeed, the ego<\/strong> is that portion of the personality<\/em> which is plunged into a
\nspecific and intense preoccupation<\/em> with a given field of action or dimension.
\nThe subconscious, reaching outward, reaches also inward. For while there is no<\/em>
\nreal past or present or future within the spacious present,<\/em> there is indeed an
\ninfinity of inward and outward<\/em><\/strong>; and again, of actions within actions, and there is no end to
\nthese actions for they are self-generating. The other portions of the inner self<\/em><\/strong>
\nreach then even further in all directions, an envelop many moment points<\/em><\/strong>. To
\nmany portions of the inner self then, what you would call a moment would
\ncorrespond to an almost limitless number of moments, for even physical time has
\nno meaning without experience without action. Your whole concept of time is built
\nabout your own capacity for perceiving action; as this capacity for perceiving
\naction grows, so indeed do the dimensions of time grow. Conceivably therefore
\none moment of your time would indeed be experienced by the whole self as
\ncenturies. This should lead you to understand why physical time is basically
\nmeaningless to the subconscious, and why the inner self has at its command a
\nknowledge of past lives and past endeavors; for the inner self, dear friends,
\nthese lives are not in the past, nor is the life of the ego necessarily present
\nto the whole self. For to the whole self all personalities that compose it exist
\nsimultaneously, and personalities that would appear to you as future
\npersonalities are experienced by the whole self in the same dimension as it
\nexperiences personalities that you would call past personalities. For all your
\nideas of time are illusion, not merely philosophical illusions, but delusions as
\nfar as any basic reality is concerned. It is only the ego that steps from moment<\/em><\/strong>
\nto moment<\/em><\/strong>, as a man who walks from puddle to puddle. It is only the ego who
\ndrowns in time. Therefore, since only the ego is momentarily imprisoned within<\/em>
\nthe focus of your plane<\/em>, it is only the ego who probes so slowly into
\nsimultaneous action, perceiving it bit by bit and sip by sip. So now you will
\nsee what I meant when I spoke about the limitless self,<\/strong> <\/em>for the whole self is
\nnot so bound. The whole self could and does perceive a limitless number of such<\/strong><\/em>
\nmoment points simultaneously<\/strong><\/em>. And now hear this: The whole self not only<\/em><\/strong>
\nperceives these limitless moment points<\/em><\/strong>, but being a part of action, each whole<\/em><\/strong>
\nself projects fragments and personalities from itself to all these points<\/em><\/strong>,
\ncreating<\/strong> therefore other egos<\/strong>, other intense focus points<\/strong> which are independent,
\nwhich work out their own destinies and experiences, which in turn perceive any<\/em><\/strong>
\ngiven moment point in slow motion<\/em><\/strong>. I now suggest your break. It must be stressed
\nthat there are no sharp boundaries, however, between the various portions of the
\nwhole self. There are shadings and variations and that is all. The inner ego<\/em> <\/strong>is
\nthat part of the inner self<\/em> <\/strong>which is closely allied with the outer ego<\/em>, in that
\nit is to some degree a director of function and activity<\/em>. But it is not sharply
\nfocused. It looks inward<\/strong>. Here we run into some language difficulty. The inner
\nego looks inward, yet in looking inward it looks outward toward those vast
\nportions of the self. Because there is always action within action,<\/em> and because
\nof the three dilemmas of which we have spoken earlier, the new personalities<\/em><\/strong>
\nprojected outward into other fields of perception, or other moment points<\/strong><\/em>, these
\nother personalities in turn create new ones, and the cycle is again repeated.
\nTime, physical matter, these are but portions of action as perceived in one
\nparticular fashion. The basic stuff, or the basic action of the universe, is
\none. It is perceived differently, and therefore reality constantly wears a
\ndifferent face. It is speeded up or slowed down according to the scope of
\nperception. (It might be interesting to note here that Seth began talking about
\naction in the 13th session, January 6, 1964: “Love and hate, for example, are
\naction, ” and “ln your plane, action<\/em><\/strong> is the main word of importance<\/em><\/strong>, ” etc. See
\nVolume 1, page 71. (See the 138th and 141 st sessions for material on the three<\/em>
\ncreative dilemmas<\/em>.)<\/p>\n
\naction. This is a rather important point.<\/p>\n
\nexperience within the self can lead to at least some understanding of the nature
\nof action in its pure form, for within your physical universe action is to some
\nextent frozen, insofar as your perceptions of it are concerned. Yet within your
\nown psychological experience you can perceive its fluid nature. The material
\nthat I have given you concerning the three dilemmas will be most helpful here.
\nThere is much that you simply cannot perceive at this point. There is much that
\nmankind as such will never learn, simply because such knowledge is beyond the
\nreach of the ego. But there is much that you do not know that you can learn. …<\/p>\n
\ngreater number of moment points than the ego can ordinarily perceive. In such
\ncases the artist captures the dominant essence, and through the energy which he
\nhas given the art, it then makes such an effect upon the ego, which could not
\nordinarily perceive so much. …<\/p>\n
\nYou perceive certain very limited aspects of a given number of such moment
\npoints. The same moment points may simultaneously be experienced in an entirely<\/strong><\/em>
\ndifferent fashion<\/strong><\/em>, and to a different set of perceptions. These moment points
\nwould appear quite different than they appear to you. There is a delicate
\nconnection here with the dream universe that is some-what difficult to explain.
\nThe dream universe, however, pervades many other fields. It does not exist
\noutside or apart from your own universe, but simultaneously with it. It
\nappears, and is a reality, to all aspects or portions of the self, and often it
\nis only within the dream universe that the personality can change focus easily
\nor efficiently enough so that he can perceive the variety of roles that he
\nhimself has played. I mentioned the chemical relationship between your universe
\nand the dream universe. There are like relationships of one kind or another that
\ntie together all fields and systems, from the largest to the most minute. The
\nfreedom of the inner self, then, is never determined by time as you know it. It
\nis determined by time as you do not know it. There are such manipulations within
\nvarious systems that change other systems. Your own behavior and action within
\nthe dream universe definitely affects the physical universe. From one field of
\nactivity then you have changed another, and without ever knowing, in many cases,
\nthat you have done so. In the same manner do the activities of the physical
\nuniverse alter the dream system. It is virtually impossible for me to explain
\nall these inner workings. We will have to wait until you can experience concepts
\nfor much of that.<\/p>\n
\nthought of as reference points from one system to another<\/em><\/strong>. Do you see now a
\nconnection here with camouflage, as explained in early sessions? (“Yes. ‘) The
\nmoment point will be seen as camouflage, which simply means that it will be
\nperceived differently<\/em> according to the perceptors. Definitions have little
\nmeaning unless they are related to other issues. For that reason I will try
\nwhenever possible to relate terms with which you are familiar in ways so that
\ntheir relationships will be clearly seen.<\/p>\n
\nconcerning moment points and value fulfillment. For this, value fulfillment, is
\nthe reason behind the existence of all systems, and of all experience within
\nyour field. I mentioned that value fulfillment seems, and is to some small
\ndegree, dependent upon time as you know it, but this merely reflects upon the
\nmanner in which you perceive time, and in no way alters the simultaneous nature
\nof value fulfillment, which grows in dimension but is not dependent upon time
\nas you know it. Once more I suggest a brief break, and I will continue-with of
\ncourse your permiSSIOn. (Break at 10:38. Jane was dissociated as usual. Her
\nvoice was not as strong, now, as it had been, yet was still above her usual
\nvolume. She resumed in the same manner, with few pauses, at 10:46.) I will
\nshortly close the session. I believe I should once again suggest, Joseph, a
\ndaily short walk for you. Such suggestions may appear trivial, yet they are not,
\nand will prove most beneficial. There is indeed a value fulfillment within the
\nenjoyment of nature that can release you from many restraints. Inner action, in
\nterms of psychological reality, is every bit as important as physical action;
\nmore important. It would be most unfortunate if either or both of you let
\nphysical action on the part of others stand in the way of beneficial action on
\nyour own parts. (I assume this statement refers to my getting upset this evening
\nby the actions of our neighbors. I realized their actions were trivial yet also
\nfelt they were thoughtless. From talking to Jane, I gathered she felt we should
\nwatch our reactions to others, so I let it pass. Still I admitted that I was
\nupset.) There must, or should be, particularly in this. season, an acquiescence
\ntoward growth and release in general, and this can be triggered, though such
\ntriggering should not, ideally, be necessary to the enjoyment of nature. For
\nnature is fluid. It is fluent. It is ever responsive, and it does not set up
\nbarriers. The experiments that you have done in projection were most beneficial
\nto you in the past. Throw your consciousness outward into nature, and your
\ninwardness will be replenished. The power and necessity to feel is a strong
\nneces- sity within all planes. I have never suggested to you that you close off
\nfrom this. When all your sensitivity is directed into sensations of misgiving,
\nthen however the balance is wrong. Spontaneity of feeling will almost
\nautomatically allow you greater freedom, increased mental and physical health;
\nand balance will then be very well maintained. I tell you that you are indeed
\nheaded for more comfortable times, but this does not mean that there is not very
\nmuch within your own daily life now to be thankful for. Spontaneity will open
\nmany doors. I am speaking of emotional spontanelty. There is much more that I
\ncould say to you now concerning this, but I will not. Do not refuse those joys
\nthat are available to you. You have nothing to make up for now, in this respect.
\nI will close because you are, I believe, somewhat tired. But because I am your
\nfriend, pay heed to what I say. My fondest regards to you both. You must be
\nopen, even to maintain the strength of the ego itself. But when you are not
\nopen, not only are you imprisoned by the moment, but you are not able to enjoy
\neven that fully. If I speak sternly, it is merely as a precaution. You know that
\nI am fond of you both. (“Good night, Seth.”)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"