{"id":126,"date":"2010-02-14T21:53:51","date_gmt":"2010-02-15T02:53:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/believeit.us\/?page_id=126"},"modified":"2010-02-14T22:13:39","modified_gmt":"2010-02-15T03:13:39","slug":"reasoning-free-will-determinism","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/believeit.us\/?page_id=126","title":{"rendered":"Reasoning, Free-Will &#038; Determinism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The intellectual reasoning mind is nothing to think of as 2nd rate.<\/p>\n<p>It is just that this is the mind that was purposely created to have a limited exposure to &#8220;All that is&#8221;. This is so that while being intimately, totally\u00a0and completely &#8220;One&#8221; in every way with \u201cAll that is\u201d, we can also have\u00a0the unique perspective that discerns features and details in such a manner that, along with the rest of all consciousness, &#8220;All that is&#8221; improves our great universe\u00a0to benefit &#8220;All that is&#8221;, that of which I am and we have our being.<\/p>\n<p>We ONLY have this <strong><em>unique <\/em><\/strong><strong><em>awareness\u00a0<\/em><\/strong> BECAUSE we are so <em><strong>powerfully focused<\/strong><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>The remainder of this page is quoted From SETH in DREAMS. &#8216;EVOLUTION: AND VALUE FULFILLMENT\u00a0 Pgs. 269-273\u00a0 Jane Roberts<br \/>\n\u00a0<br \/>\n(Slowly:) Chapter Six. Now: Any real discussion of genetic her-<br \/>\nitage must also bring up questions involving free will and deter-<br \/>\nminism,&#8221; and to some extent those issues must also lead to<br \/>\nquestions concerning the nature of the reasoning mind itself.<br \/>\nReasoning, as you are familiar with it, is the result of mental<br \/>\nor psychic processes functioning in a space-time context, and in<br \/>\na particular fashion. To some extent, then, reasoning-again, as<br \/>\nyou are familiar with it (underlined)-is the result of a lack of<br \/>\navailable knowledge. You try to &#8220;reason things out,&#8221; because the<br \/>\nanswer is not in front of you. If it were, you would &#8220;know,&#8221; and<br \/>\nhence have no need to question.<br \/>\nThe reasoning mind is a uniquely human and physical phe-<br \/>\nnomenon. (Long pause.) It depends upon conscious thinking,<br \/>\nproblem-solving methods, and it is a natural human blossoming,<br \/>\na spectacular mental development in its own framework of activ-<br \/>\nity.<br \/>\nYour technology is one of the results of that reasoning mind.<br \/>\nThat &#8220;reasoning&#8221; is necessary, however, because of the lack of a<br \/>\n\u00a0<br \/>\nlarger, immediate field of knowledge. Thoughts are mental ac-<br \/>\ntivity, scaled to time and space terms so that they are like mental<br \/>\nedifices built to certain dimensions only. Your thoughts make<br \/>\nyou human (underlined).<br \/>\n(Still slowly at 8:59:) Other creatures have their own kinds of<br \/>\nmental activity, however. They also have different kinds of im-<br \/>\nmediate perceptions of reality. All species are united by their<br \/>\nparticipation in emotional states, however. It is not just that all<br \/>\nspecies of life have feeling, but that all participate in dimensions<br \/>\nof emotional reality. It has been said that only men have a moral<br \/>\nsense, that only men have free will-if indeed free will is possible<br \/>\nat all. The word &#8220;moral&#8221; has endless connotations, of course. Yet<br \/>\nanimals have their own &#8220;morality,&#8221; their own codes of honor,<br \/>\ntheir own impeccable senses of balance with all other creatures.<br \/>\n(Pause.) They have loving emotional relationships, complicated<br \/>\nsocieties,&#8221; and in a certain sense at least-an important one-<br \/>\nthey also have their arts and sciences. But those &#8220;arts and sci-<br \/>\nences&#8221; are not based upon reasoning, as you understand it.<br \/>\nAnimals also possess independent volition, and while I am<br \/>\nemphasizing animals here, the same applies to any creature,<br \/>\nlarge or small: insect, bird, fish, or worm; to plant life; to cells,<br \/>\natoms, or electrons. They possess free will in relationship to the<br \/>\nconditions of their existence (underlined).<br \/>\nThe conditions of existence are largely determined by genetic<br \/>\nstructure. Free will must then of course function in accordance<br \/>\nwith genetic integrity. Genetic structure makes possible physical<br \/>\norganisms through which life is to be experienced, and to a large<br \/>\nextent that structure must determine the kind of action possible<br \/>\nin the world, and the way or ways in which volition can be effec-<br \/>\ntively expressed.<br \/>\nThe beaver is not free to make a spider web. (Long pause.) In<br \/>\nhuman beings the genetic structure largely determines physical<br \/>\ncharacteristics such as height, color of eyes, color of hair, color<br \/>\nof skin-and, of course, more importantly, the number of fin-<br \/>\ngers and toes, and the other specific physical attributes of your<br \/>\nspecieshood. So physically, and on his physical attributes alone,<br \/>\na man cannot use his free will to fly like a bird, or to perform<br \/>\nphysical acts for which the human body is not equipped.<br \/>\nThe body is equipped to perform far better, in a variety of<br \/>\nways, than you give it credit for, however-but the fact remains<br \/>\nthat the genetic structure focuses volition. The genetic appara-<br \/>\ntus and the chromosomal messages actually contain far more<br \/>\ninformation than is ever used. That genetic information can, for<br \/>\nexample, be put together in an infinite number of ways. (Long<br \/>\npause.) The species cares for itself in the event of any possible<br \/>\ncircumstance, so that the genetic messages also carry an endless<br \/>\nnumber of triggers that will change genetic combinations if this<br \/>\nbecomes necessary.<br \/>\nBeyond that, however, genetic messages are coded in such a<br \/>\nway that there is a constant give-and-take between those mes-<br \/>\nsages and the present experience of any given individual. That<br \/>\nis, no genetic event is inevitable.<br \/>\nNow besides this physical genetic structure, there is an inner<br \/>\nbank of psychic information that in your terms would contain<br \/>\nthe &#8220;past&#8221; history-the reincarnational history-of the individ-<br \/>\nual. This provides an overall reservoir of psychic characteristics,<br \/>\nleanings, abilities, knowledge, that is as much a part of the indi-<br \/>\nvidual&#8217;s heritage as the genetic structure is a part of the physical<br \/>\nheritage.<br \/>\nA person of great intelligence may be born from a family of<br \/>\nidiots, for example, because of that reincarnational structure.<br \/>\nMusical ability may thus appear complete-<br \/>\n(9:27. We were startled by the sudden ringing oj the telephone.)<br \/>\nTake your break.<br \/>\n(A close friend, one who used to attend Jane&#8217;s ESP class, had called<br \/>\nour unlisted number to ask one of us some psychic questions. Jane had<br \/>\nbeen jolted out of trance, of course. After I hung up we wondered why<br \/>\nour friend, who knows our usual routine so well, hadn&#8217;t realized that<br \/>\nwe&#8217;d probably be having a session at this time on a Monday evening.<br \/>\nYet, at 9:30 Jane resumed the session just as though there hadn&#8217;t been<br \/>\nany interruption.)<br \/>\n-with great technical facility, regardless of family back-<br \/>\nground, genetically speaking, and again, the reincarnational<br \/>\nbank of characteristics accounts for such events. That inner rein-<br \/>\ncarnational psychic structure is also responsible for triggering<br \/>\ncertain genetic messages while ignoring others, or for triggering<br \/>\ncertain combinations of genetic messages. In actuality, of course<br \/>\n-say that I smiled-all time is simultaneous, and so all reincar-<br \/>\nnational lives occur at once.<br \/>\n(Pause.) Perhaps an analogy will help. An actor throwing him-<br \/>\nself or herself into a role, even momentarily lost in the part, is<br \/>\nstill alive and functioning as himself or herself in a context that<br \/>\nis larger than the play. The character in the play is seemingly<br \/>\nalive (creatively) for the play&#8217;s duration, perception being limited<br \/>\nto that framework, yet to play that role the actor draws upon the<br \/>\nexperience of his own life. He brings to bear his own under-<br \/>\nstanding, compassion, artistry, and if he is a good actor, or if she<br \/>\nis, then when the play is over the actor is a better person for<br \/>\nhaving played the role.<br \/>\nNow in the greater framework of reincarnational existences<br \/>\nyou choose your roles, or your lives, but the lines that you speak,<br \/>\nthe situations that you meet, are not predetermined. &#8220;You&#8221; live<br \/>\nor exist in a larger framework of activity even while you live<br \/>\nyour life, and there is a rambunctious interplay between the yous<br \/>\nin time and the you outside of time.<br \/>\n(Long pause.) The you inside of time adopts a reasoning mind.<br \/>\nIt is a kind of creative (underlined) psychological face that you<br \/>\nuse for the purposes of your life&#8217;s drama. This psychological<br \/>\nface of our analogy has certain formal, ceremonial features, so<br \/>\nthat you mentally and psychologically tend to perceive only<br \/>\nthose data that are available within the play&#8217;s formal structure.<br \/>\nYou cannot see into the future, for example, or into the past.<br \/>\nYou reason out your position. Otherwise your free will would<br \/>\nhave no meaning in a physical framework, for the number of<br \/>\nchoices available would be so multitudinous that you could not<br \/>\nmake up your mind to act within time: With all the opportunities<br \/>\nof creativity, and with your own greater knowledge instantly<br \/>\navailable, you would be swamped by so many stimuli that you<br \/>\nliterally could not physically respond, and so your particular<br \/>\nkinds of civilization and science and art could not have been<br \/>\naccomplished-and regardless of their flaws they are magnifi-<br \/>\ncent accomplishments, unique products of the reasoning mind.<br \/>\nWithout the reasoning mind the artist would have no need to<br \/>\npaint, for the immediacy of his mental vision would be so instant<br \/>\nand blinding, so mentally accomplished, that there would be no<br \/>\nneed to try any physical rendition of it. So nowhere do I ever<br \/>\nmean to demean the qualities or excellence of the reasoning<br \/>\nmind as you understand it.<br \/>\nYou have, however, become so specialized in its use, so preju-<br \/>\ndiced in its favor, that your tendency is to examine all other<br \/>\nkinds of consciousness using the reasoning mind as the only<br \/>\nyardstick by which to judge intelligent life. You are surrounded<br \/>\neverywhere by other kinds of consciousness whose validity you<br \/>\nhave largely ignored, whose psychic brotherhood you have dis-<br \/>\nmissed-kinds of consciousness in the animal kingdom particu-<br \/>\nlarly, that deal with a different kind of knowing, but who share<br \/>\nwith you the reality of keen emotional experience, and who are<br \/>\ninnately aware of biological and psychic values, but in ways that<br \/>\nhave escaped your prejudiced examination.<br \/>\nTo some extent that emotional reality is also expressed at<br \/>\nother levels-as your own is-in periods of dreaming, in which<br \/>\nanimals, like men, participate in a vast cooperative venture that<br \/>\nhelps to form the psychological atmosphere in which your lives<br \/>\nmust first of all exist.<br \/>\nEnd of dictation. End of session, unless you have a question.<br \/>\nRuburt can relax now (with amusement).<br \/>\n(&#8220;Okay, Seth. No questions. That was very good. &#8220;)<br \/>\nI bid you a fond good evening.<br \/>\n(&#8220;Thank you. Good night. &#8220;)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The intellectual reasoning mind is nothing to think of as 2nd rate. It is just that this is the mind that was purposely created to have a limited exposure to &#8220;All that is&#8221;. 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